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		<title>By: talldrinkowater</title>
		<link>http://knuckleballsblog.com/2010/08/01/twins-are-losers-say-it-aint-so/#comment-1274</link>
		<dc:creator>talldrinkowater</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Aug 2010 18:33:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I was thinking exactly the same thing about the Yankees&#039; deals. I think they were more a &quot;prevent defense&quot; strategy to keep those players away from the BoSox and Rays teams.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was thinking exactly the same thing about the Yankees&#8217; deals. I think they were more a &#8220;prevent defense&#8221; strategy to keep those players away from the BoSox and Rays teams.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Crikket</title>
		<link>http://knuckleballsblog.com/2010/08/01/twins-are-losers-say-it-aint-so/#comment-1272</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Crikket</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Aug 2010 18:05:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yeah, YF, I suspect for the next four days, the size of the Twins fanbase is probably increasing about 100 fold across the country as Yankee fans cheer on our guys during the Rays series. I have to admit that it pains me just a bit to know that sweeping the Rays would help the Yankees almost as much as it would the Twins themselves! Ouch!

Interesting perspective you have on the deals the Yanks made. I think most of the &quot;winner&quot; opinions focus on exactly what you said about how they really didn&#039;t give up much of anything and got some talent back.  I hadn&#039;t really thought about the possibility that finding ABs for Kearns and Berkman might hurt the Yankees.

Personally, my reaction to their deals was pretty much a shrug. I&#039;ll believe Wood is good again when I actually see it (though he wouldn&#039;t have to be REAL good to be an improvement over what the Yankees have had in the set up roles lately, I guess). As for Kearns and Berkman, the way I look at it is that the Yankees can only play 9 nonpitchers at a time, anyway. It gives them depth in the event of injury and maybe better bats off the bench than most teams have. That could be important as they fight the Rays for the AL East, but in the playoffs (where it would matter, hopefully, to the Twins), I think those additions are probably going to be marginal difference makers, at best.

Of course, you also can&#039;t totally discount the possibility that at least part of the motivation the Yankees had for picking up these guys was to keep them from being acquired by the Rays (Berkman) and Red Sox (Wood). Buster Olney reported those teams finished &quot;second&quot; in the bidding for those players. If they turn around and send them elsewhere in a waiver deal before the end of the season, we&#039;ll know this was a bigger factor than we might otherwise think.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, YF, I suspect for the next four days, the size of the Twins fanbase is probably increasing about 100 fold across the country as Yankee fans cheer on our guys during the Rays series. I have to admit that it pains me just a bit to know that sweeping the Rays would help the Yankees almost as much as it would the Twins themselves! Ouch!</p>
<p>Interesting perspective you have on the deals the Yanks made. I think most of the &#8220;winner&#8221; opinions focus on exactly what you said about how they really didn&#8217;t give up much of anything and got some talent back.  I hadn&#8217;t really thought about the possibility that finding ABs for Kearns and Berkman might hurt the Yankees.</p>
<p>Personally, my reaction to their deals was pretty much a shrug. I&#8217;ll believe Wood is good again when I actually see it (though he wouldn&#8217;t have to be REAL good to be an improvement over what the Yankees have had in the set up roles lately, I guess). As for Kearns and Berkman, the way I look at it is that the Yankees can only play 9 nonpitchers at a time, anyway. It gives them depth in the event of injury and maybe better bats off the bench than most teams have. That could be important as they fight the Rays for the AL East, but in the playoffs (where it would matter, hopefully, to the Twins), I think those additions are probably going to be marginal difference makers, at best.</p>
<p>Of course, you also can&#8217;t totally discount the possibility that at least part of the motivation the Yankees had for picking up these guys was to keep them from being acquired by the Rays (Berkman) and Red Sox (Wood). Buster Olney reported those teams finished &#8220;second&#8221; in the bidding for those players. If they turn around and send them elsewhere in a waiver deal before the end of the season, we&#8217;ll know this was a bigger factor than we might otherwise think.</p>
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		<title>By: YankeeFan</title>
		<link>http://knuckleballsblog.com/2010/08/01/twins-are-losers-say-it-aint-so/#comment-1270</link>
		<dc:creator>YankeeFan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Aug 2010 17:39:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I expected some comments to trash the Yankees as &quot;winners&quot; for the trade deadline.  I strongly disagree -- the addition of Kearns makes no sense (where exactly would he play when he doesn&#039;t crack our top 4 OFs or top 2DHs before Berkman arrived) and Berkman as a DH compromises the Yanks&#039; best overall team -- Posada at DH and Cervelli catching.

The addition of Wood was decent, as you can never have enough potential relievers and Wood is someone a different pitching coach can attempt to tweak.

All in all, the only thing the Yanks did well was get stuff without giving too much (anything) up.  That being said, I think the Twins may have overpaid for a piece they needed, but they got what they needed for a part they didn&#039;t ultimately need.  I call that a win, since it is unlikely they could have landed a blue chip front-line pitcher for Ramos.  I didn&#039;t dislike the move.

WIN TWINS! (This week anyway... :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I expected some comments to trash the Yankees as &#8220;winners&#8221; for the trade deadline.  I strongly disagree &#8212; the addition of Kearns makes no sense (where exactly would he play when he doesn&#8217;t crack our top 4 OFs or top 2DHs before Berkman arrived) and Berkman as a DH compromises the Yanks&#8217; best overall team &#8212; Posada at DH and Cervelli catching.</p>
<p>The addition of Wood was decent, as you can never have enough potential relievers and Wood is someone a different pitching coach can attempt to tweak.</p>
<p>All in all, the only thing the Yanks did well was get stuff without giving too much (anything) up.  That being said, I think the Twins may have overpaid for a piece they needed, but they got what they needed for a part they didn&#8217;t ultimately need.  I call that a win, since it is unlikely they could have landed a blue chip front-line pitcher for Ramos.  I didn&#8217;t dislike the move.</p>
<p>WIN TWINS! (This week anyway&#8230; <img src='http://knuckleballsblog.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Jim Crikket</title>
		<link>http://knuckleballsblog.com/2010/08/01/twins-are-losers-say-it-aint-so/#comment-1254</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Crikket</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Aug 2010 12:38:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks, Deb, I guess I fell in to the &quot;lazy&quot; trap myself because I read somewhere that all three guys came in after the deadline and just repeated it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Deb, I guess I fell in to the &#8220;lazy&#8221; trap myself because I read somewhere that all three guys came in after the deadline and just repeated it.</p>
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		<title>By: Deb</title>
		<link>http://knuckleballsblog.com/2010/08/01/twins-are-losers-say-it-aint-so/#comment-1253</link>
		<dc:creator>Deb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Aug 2010 12:08:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Actually, they got Cabrera at the deadline last year and picked up Pavano, Rauch, and Mahay after the non-waiver trade deadline.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, they got Cabrera at the deadline last year and picked up Pavano, Rauch, and Mahay after the non-waiver trade deadline.</p>
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		<title>By: talldrinkowater</title>
		<link>http://knuckleballsblog.com/2010/08/01/twins-are-losers-say-it-aint-so/#comment-1252</link>
		<dc:creator>talldrinkowater</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Aug 2010 07:42:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I, for one, actually like the move to get Capps. Nathan is not a sure thing for next year, as history has shown the first year back from the Tommy John surgery in most cases is fairly difficult for pitchers. And I echo jamar in my dislike of the intellectually lazy tripe that calls itself journalism lately.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I, for one, actually like the move to get Capps. Nathan is not a sure thing for next year, as history has shown the first year back from the Tommy John surgery in most cases is fairly difficult for pitchers. And I echo jamar in my dislike of the intellectually lazy tripe that calls itself journalism lately.</p>
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		<title>By: jamar1700</title>
		<link>http://knuckleballsblog.com/2010/08/01/twins-are-losers-say-it-aint-so/#comment-1249</link>
		<dc:creator>jamar1700</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Aug 2010 02:34:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What bugs me is that the implication is that we refused to part with Ramos for Cliff (F&#039;in!!!) Lee and then gave him up for Capps.  When we all know it&#039;s. NOT. that .simple.  There were other considerations involved in a potential Lee trade.  No one seriously thinks they would have taken just Ramos for Lee, do they?  It sounds like they wanted at least one other high prospect ANDOR a MLB ready pitcher.  If the Twins had made that deal for a 2 month rental they would still be calling us losers.  Whatever.  Stoopid lazy (so-called) journalism.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What bugs me is that the implication is that we refused to part with Ramos for Cliff (F&#8217;in!!!) Lee and then gave him up for Capps.  When we all know it&#8217;s. NOT. that .simple.  There were other considerations involved in a potential Lee trade.  No one seriously thinks they would have taken just Ramos for Lee, do they?  It sounds like they wanted at least one other high prospect ANDOR a MLB ready pitcher.  If the Twins had made that deal for a 2 month rental they would still be calling us losers.  Whatever.  Stoopid lazy (so-called) journalism.</p>
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