GameChat – Twins @ Rangers #4, 7:05

So we’re up against the infamous Cliff Lee.  If many Twins fans had their way, Cliff would be pitching FOR us against the rangers instead of the other way around.  But I have to admit that I’m kind of looking forward to seeing him and Liriano face off.  My concerns? I hope the nasty, filthy Liriano shows up.  Oh yeah, and whereever the offense is on vacation, I hope they are back.  I was getting a little spoiled this season, I’m a big enough person to recognize that.  Three losing games in a row is pretty much my limit I think.  I would really like to salvage at least one win from this trip south before we have to face the Sox again.  You know how that is, I’m sure. 

Minnesota @ Texas
Span, CF   Andrus, SS
Hudson, O, 2B   Young, M, 3B
Mauer, C   Hamilton, LF
Kubel, RF   Guerrero, DH
Cuddyer, 1B   Molina, B, C
Thome, DH   Murphy, Dv, RF
Young, D, LF   Cantu, 1B
Valencia, 3B   Blanco, A, 2B
Hardy, SS   Borbon, CF
  Liriano, P     Lee, Cl, P


  1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 R H E
Minnesota 0 3 2 0 0 1 0 0 0 6 10 1
Texas 0 0 0 0 0 0 2 2 0 4 6 2


It’s really amazing how much better my mood is when the boys WIN a game – even if it was only one game of a 4 game series.  A win is a win and I’ll take it.  If it happens to be against Cliff Lee and Liriano was back to sizzling?  I’ll be pretty darn excited by it!  Tonight was a great way to come back and maintain a nice lead in the Central Division since the White Sox beat Baltimore tonight.

We really had some beautiful pitching tonight though – Liriano and Crain especially.  The Rangers have a pretty good lineup to face and out boys did it well.  So since I’m in an ice cream mood, Liriano and Crain get a Dairy Queen Blizzard of their choice.  Enjoy boys.

We have other treats to give out as well.  Thome was doing his Thomer-thing and Cuddy was downright Offensive!  hehehe  At least I think I’m funny.  Anyway, Michael and Jim get to split an ice cream cake for all their awesomeness.

And finally, our BOD goes to DELMON!  It’s been awhile since he got one of those and I’m very glad he seems to be returning to the BOD form!  That GORGEOUS homerun which equalled half the RBI we scored tonight was definitely a good move.  (He also can have whatever ice cream he wants). 

Retaliation: Manning Up or Sophomoric Silliness?

The discussion started during the series with the White Sox.

Sox pitcher Sergio Santos threw a pitch “high and tight”, causing Twins hitter JJ Hardy to have to react quickly to avoid taking the pitch in the helmet. Later, Delmon Young went after Sox catcher AJ Pierzynski with both forearms extended in the general vicinity of AJ’s face on a play at the plate. Sox broadcaster Hawk Harrelson suggested Young needed to experience a “Rawlings in the earhole” as a result of the play. The rest of the series, however, was relatively uneventful as no further extracurricular activity took place between the two teams (though I would say there were a couple of clearly “hard and late” slides in to second base by Sox runners).

This week in Texas, the discussion continues. Immediately after a coaching visit to the mound Tuesday night, Twins  hitter Jim Thome took a Neftali Feliz fast ball to the leg, with light-hitting Matt Tolbert in the on-deck circle.

Comments from the Sox and Twins clubhouses after each of these events avoided direct accusations. But is that because the teams are giving their opponents the benefit of the doubt… or are players and managers just wising up to the reality that the quickest way to draw a fine from MLB is to speak openly about possible retaliation?

Few topics draw opinions as polarizing as the issue of what a team (and specifically, its pitchers) should do when they feel opponents have intentionally hit (or even thrown at) one of their batters.

There are generally two schools of thought on the issue. The “old school” philosophy is pretty simple, really. You need to protect your team mates. If you think someone is targeting your guys, someone needs to step up and make it clear there will be consequences for that kind of thing. The folks at did a pretty good job of expressing this point of view in this article last season.

On the other side of the spectrum are the pacifists who argue that intentionally trying to hit or injure another player, even if it’s in retaliation for similar attempts by an opponent, is at best childish, silly and counter-productive, and at worst extremely dangerous. Fanhouse columnist Jay Mariotti wrote this piece last season, strongly arguing this side of the debate. (I should add, however, that given Mr. Mariotti most recently made the news by being arrested and jailed on a felony domestic violence charge, perhaps he’s not the most credible source to cite in making the case for controlling tempers and concern over inflicting serious injuries on others.)

A lot of hitters wear enough body armor to feel right at home at King Arthur’s Roundtable and that allows them to crowd the plate and get much better coverage of the outside corner. Pitchers are entitled to throw inside and, in fact, those who can’t/won’t/don’t do so regularly have little chance of prolonged success in baseball. And since throwing a baseball 90+ MPH is not an exact science, throwing inside means sometimes you’re going to hit a batter. That’s an acknowledged part of the game, which is why there’s a rule awarding 1B to a hitter struck by a pitch.

I think there may be a couple of things we can all agree on. First, not every HBP calls for retaliation. Most HBPs come in situations and circumstances where there clearly is no intent on the part of the pitcher to hit the batter. Maybe it’s a close game or maybe it’s a lousy hitter with a good hitter on deck or maybe it’s just a hitter who has a reputation for intentionally “taking one for the team”. In these situations, any form of retaliation is simply not called for and a hitter who gets all bent out of shape in those situations needs to just chill and take his base.

Likewise, I think we can also all agree that it is never OK to throw a pitch with the intent to hit a batter in the head. This goes beyond anything that could even arguably be considered appropriate retaliation as it truly has not only the potential to cause life/career ending injury, but a high likelihood of doing so if the pitch makes the intended contact. There’s no place for that sort of thing in any sport at any level.

But what about those situations where you and your team mates are pretty damn sure your opponents are using your hitters for target practice? What about those hitters who crowd the plate and as a result, they are rattling the opposite field wall with one extra-base hit after another? What about the players who are, shall we say, “overly aggressive” on the base paths and are barreling hard in to your fielders?

I readily admit that I fall in to the “old school” camp. (I was a pitcher in my playing days and I distinctly remember the first time I hit a batter intentionally. I was 14… and he was far from the last guy I intentionally plunked in the butt.) I suspect most men who played organized baseball growing up 30-40 years ago probably join me there. Is it a “guy thing”? Is it generational?

Are there other, better, more civilized ways of policing this kind of thing? Should players just trust Bud Selig and MLB to police the sport and hand out appropriate punishment?

I expect the Twins to retaliate for the pitch that struck Jim Thome on Tuesday. It may or may not be tonight. It may or may not be through the expected method of a Ranger hitter getting hit or knocked down by a Twins pitcher. The Twins are in a pennant race and teams in that situation are smart enough to realize they can’t risk an important player getting suspended. But there will be a message delivered at some point. Ballplayers have long memories (and on this subject, Delmon Young probably should stay loose in the batters box during the upcoming trip to The Cell in Chicago, too.)

But let’s hear what you think. Feel free to share your thoughts in the comment section. – JC