Comments on: Hall of Fame Ballot (Poll)

By: mark

mark — Fri, 30 Dec 2011 02:53:26 +0000

I’m guessing this subject will be debated for the next 100 years. New HOF standards will be established. The time is coming when 100 wins by a starting pitcher will be an automatic induction into the HOF as 300 wins is today. That will come in the next 20 years. Will ‘roiders be allowed too? Probably. In time the Baseball HOF will be very similar to the Football HOF.

By: Jim Crikket

Jim Crikket — Thu, 29 Dec 2011 02:55:36 +0000

Yes, the writers do feel that way. The same hypocritical writers that treated all of the PED users with kid gloves now want to be the morality police. That disgusts me more than the guys who did the PEDs.

By: mark

mark — Thu, 29 Dec 2011 02:51:27 +0000

I’m thinking the BBWAA agree with my take over yours. I dont see Mark McGuire (the poster boy of the ‘roids era) ever getting into the HOF. Players with no respect for the game are getting their just desserts. They were treated with kid gloves when in fact they deserved and iron fist.

By: Jim Crikket

Jim Crikket — Wed, 28 Dec 2011 00:48:55 +0000

It’s naive to think amphetamines didn’t help a player’s performance. Did they build up muscle like roids or HGH? No. But they allowed players to endure a long season (and long nights) while maintaining a level of concentration that subsequently resulted in better performance. Just because they didn’t have as much of an effect specifically on home run numbers doesn’t mean they didn’t aid performance in other areas. I’d be willing to bet most of the “honorable” HOFers you cited took some sort of drug that helped their performance. And whether the drugs are administered in pill form or via a needle in the ass is completely irrelevant.

I also don’t see how it denigrates the HOF to add McGwire any more than it did to elect Gaylord Perry and Whitey Ford. Point is, players have been cheating in one way or another to gain an advantage for as long as baseball has been played. In the case of PEDs, neither Baseball nor the holier-than-thou writers who are being so sanctimonious about the issue now wanted to even acknowledge the cheating when they were all making good livings because of it. It’s the height of hypocrisy for any of them to now serve as judge and jury for these players.

By: mark

mark — Wed, 28 Dec 2011 00:17:35 +0000

I dont really think “Greenies” really helped a player’s performance and if you had a script to use them they were legal. My problem is with McGuire and Canseco (Bonds, Palmero, Pudge, Sosa, Clemens, Pettite, A Riod, and the rest of the cheaters) sticking a needle full of ‘roids into their a$$es in a bathroom stall at the park. It would be a slap in the face to honorable HOF’er like Killebrew, Aaron, Mathews, Puckett, Musial, and the rest of the HOF’ers who didnt cheat.

By: Jim Crikket

Jim Crikket — Tue, 27 Dec 2011 03:19:15 +0000

You don’t think cheaters are already in the Hall of Fame? When you find a way to get rid of the amphetamine users, let me know. MLB and the media intentionally ignored the PED use for years and NOW we’re supposed to get all high and mighty about it? I think that’s crap.

By: mark

mark — Tue, 27 Dec 2011 02:54:31 +0000

I gotta disagree with you about the ‘roiders going into the HOF, JC. It will be a sad day when the voters allow the cheaters in. No way, no how. I voted for Morris and Bagwell but after looking at Bagwell’s stats – he falls well short for HOF consideration.
Barry Larkin was a nice player but he too would never get my vote. He was Greg Gagne with a little more power. So that leaves Jack Morris as the only inductee for 2012.