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		<title>By: AW</title>
		<link>http://knuckleballsblog.com/2012/01/25/gloom-despair-and-agony/#comment-11660</link>
		<dc:creator>AW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jan 2012 00:39:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Peralta was pretty good last year. The Tigers&#039; camp thought he played well enough for a Gold Glove. I think he had 7 errors on the season. Not sure about the advanced metrics, though.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peralta was pretty good last year. The Tigers&#8217; camp thought he played well enough for a Gold Glove. I think he had 7 errors on the season. Not sure about the advanced metrics, though.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Crikket</title>
		<link>http://knuckleballsblog.com/2012/01/25/gloom-despair-and-agony/#comment-11659</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Crikket</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jan 2012 00:25:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[thrylos, I agree that the value of the franchise is important to ownership, but in that regard, most owners are in the same boat (at least once they get their sweetheart public stadium deal). The dollars differ, but few, if any, dip in to the &quot;increased value&quot; pool to cover current expenses. After all, those dollars aren&#039;t realized until the team is sold. You and I can take out home equity loans to cover current expenses and theoretically team owners can do the same thing, but don&#039;t hold your breath.

AW, didn&#039;t the Indians decide Peralta couldn&#039;t play a competent enough SS any more and move him to 3B? I have no idea what his metrics are, but I guess I don&#039;t think about him being an above average fielder. I guess that could leave him in the &quot;not awful&quot; category, though. Then again... in comparison to everyone else in that infield this year, he may look like a superstar.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thrylos, I agree that the value of the franchise is important to ownership, but in that regard, most owners are in the same boat (at least once they get their sweetheart public stadium deal). The dollars differ, but few, if any, dip in to the &#8220;increased value&#8221; pool to cover current expenses. After all, those dollars aren&#8217;t realized until the team is sold. You and I can take out home equity loans to cover current expenses and theoretically team owners can do the same thing, but don&#8217;t hold your breath.</p>
<p>AW, didn&#8217;t the Indians decide Peralta couldn&#8217;t play a competent enough SS any more and move him to 3B? I have no idea what his metrics are, but I guess I don&#8217;t think about him being an above average fielder. I guess that could leave him in the &#8220;not awful&#8221; category, though. Then again&#8230; in comparison to everyone else in that infield this year, he may look like a superstar.</p>
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		<title>By: AW</title>
		<link>http://knuckleballsblog.com/2012/01/25/gloom-despair-and-agony/#comment-11658</link>
		<dc:creator>AW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jan 2012 00:13:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Good point, JC. I would add Jhonny Peralta at SS to the list of Tigers defenders that are not a liability. So we have C, CF and SS that are in the spectrum of not awful to good. That leaves a pretty large chunk of Comerica, and Target Field, in play.

I definitely agree on the bunting. I&#039;m looking for a significant amount of bunting from Revere, Casilla, Span, and even Nishioka if he sees action. And not just when they&#039;re playing the Tigers.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good point, JC. I would add Jhonny Peralta at SS to the list of Tigers defenders that are not a liability. So we have C, CF and SS that are in the spectrum of not awful to good. That leaves a pretty large chunk of Comerica, and Target Field, in play.</p>
<p>I definitely agree on the bunting. I&#8217;m looking for a significant amount of bunting from Revere, Casilla, Span, and even Nishioka if he sees action. And not just when they&#8217;re playing the Tigers.</p>
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		<title>By: thrylos98</title>
		<link>http://knuckleballsblog.com/2012/01/25/gloom-despair-and-agony/#comment-11657</link>
		<dc:creator>thrylos98</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jan 2012 23:29:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[JC,
that one part of team ownership and it is almost become obsolete.  A bigger part of team ownership is &quot;capital appreciation&quot; (think it like a house or something.)  Owners buy low keep a team for a while then they sell it for 20-100 fold (think Red McCombs ).  Family-owned teams (like the Twins and Yankees are few and in-between these days in the major pro sports)  Capital Appreciation is the key for those guys...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JC,<br />
that one part of team ownership and it is almost become obsolete.  A bigger part of team ownership is &#8220;capital appreciation&#8221; (think it like a house or something.)  Owners buy low keep a team for a while then they sell it for 20-100 fold (think Red McCombs ).  Family-owned teams (like the Twins and Yankees are few and in-between these days in the major pro sports)  Capital Appreciation is the key for those guys&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Crikket</title>
		<link>http://knuckleballsblog.com/2012/01/25/gloom-despair-and-agony/#comment-11656</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Crikket</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jan 2012 23:26:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[AW, I&#039;m not sure the lefties have to go the opposite way to be successful. Don&#039;t the Tigers rely on a corner outfielder to play a lot of 2B? And Prince is essentially a statue at 1B, so pulling the ball to the right side isn&#039;t a bad idea. I&#039;m not even sure their RFs are all that talented. My sense is that CF and C (so long as they never have to resort to making Martinez their regular catcher in future years) are really the only positions they can say they have covered well. Hitters from either side just need to make contact and run like hell. I&#039;d probably also bunt a ton on those blimps on the corners of the infield. That should be entertaining to see.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AW, I&#8217;m not sure the lefties have to go the opposite way to be successful. Don&#8217;t the Tigers rely on a corner outfielder to play a lot of 2B? And Prince is essentially a statue at 1B, so pulling the ball to the right side isn&#8217;t a bad idea. I&#8217;m not even sure their RFs are all that talented. My sense is that CF and C (so long as they never have to resort to making Martinez their regular catcher in future years) are really the only positions they can say they have covered well. Hitters from either side just need to make contact and run like hell. I&#8217;d probably also bunt a ton on those blimps on the corners of the infield. That should be entertaining to see.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Crikket</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Crikket</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jan 2012 23:19:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[JB, in my mind, there are 3 kinds of owners.

First, there are owners of low-revenue teams. They tell their GMs, &quot;You aren&#039;t going to have the money to compete on an even playing field so you need to be damn good at your job or damn lucky (and probably both) to win.&quot; Think: A&#039;s, Rays, Royals, Pirates, etc.

At the other end of the spectrum are the owners that say, &quot;Even if you screw up or get unlucky (or both), it&#039;s OK... I&#039;m going to just throw more money out there. In fact, every once in a while, I&#039;m going to step in and MAKE you do something totally stupid.&quot; The Yankees used to have this category pretty much to themselves, but we&#039;re seeing owners like those of the Angels, Rangers and Tigers show similar tendencies, lately. That hasn&#039;t necessarily worked well for the Yankees all the time and I&#039;m not so sure it will work for the others over the long run either.

Everyone else essentially has an owner that says, &quot;We have enough revenue that we can give you enough money to compete IF you at least do a good job and the team avoids catastrophically bad luck. If you need a little more money at times to put the team over the top, you&#039;ll get it. But don&#039;t screw up and then come ask us to bail you out. Instead, we&#039;ll find someone else to run the place.&quot; The Twins are definitely in this group. Interestingly, I&#039;d probably put other pretty successful organizations like the Phillies and Red Sox in this category, too. It&#039;s not an unreasonable model.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JB, in my mind, there are 3 kinds of owners.</p>
<p>First, there are owners of low-revenue teams. They tell their GMs, &#8220;You aren&#8217;t going to have the money to compete on an even playing field so you need to be damn good at your job or damn lucky (and probably both) to win.&#8221; Think: A&#8217;s, Rays, Royals, Pirates, etc.</p>
<p>At the other end of the spectrum are the owners that say, &#8220;Even if you screw up or get unlucky (or both), it&#8217;s OK&#8230; I&#8217;m going to just throw more money out there. In fact, every once in a while, I&#8217;m going to step in and MAKE you do something totally stupid.&#8221; The Yankees used to have this category pretty much to themselves, but we&#8217;re seeing owners like those of the Angels, Rangers and Tigers show similar tendencies, lately. That hasn&#8217;t necessarily worked well for the Yankees all the time and I&#8217;m not so sure it will work for the others over the long run either.</p>
<p>Everyone else essentially has an owner that says, &#8220;We have enough revenue that we can give you enough money to compete IF you at least do a good job and the team avoids catastrophically bad luck. If you need a little more money at times to put the team over the top, you&#8217;ll get it. But don&#8217;t screw up and then come ask us to bail you out. Instead, we&#8217;ll find someone else to run the place.&#8221; The Twins are definitely in this group. Interestingly, I&#8217;d probably put other pretty successful organizations like the Phillies and Red Sox in this category, too. It&#8217;s not an unreasonable model.</p>
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		<title>By: AW</title>
		<link>http://knuckleballsblog.com/2012/01/25/gloom-despair-and-agony/#comment-11654</link>
		<dc:creator>AW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jan 2012 23:13:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I had some notes for a similar post I was going to write, but now I don&#039;t need to. You summed it up quite nicely. 

I&#039;ll just add that if Miguel Cabrera is manning third, with Delmon Young in left field, it&#039;s going to be good for our righty pull hitters, and those of our lefties (#7) that enjoy going the opposite way.

My gut reaction is this: The Tigers are better today than they were two days ago; and the Tigers are locked into a lengthy contract with a player who, although extremely healthy for the first part of his career, will undoubtedly age. And my guess is that his body will not age gracefully.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had some notes for a similar post I was going to write, but now I don&#8217;t need to. You summed it up quite nicely. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ll just add that if Miguel Cabrera is manning third, with Delmon Young in left field, it&#8217;s going to be good for our righty pull hitters, and those of our lefties (#7) that enjoy going the opposite way.</p>
<p>My gut reaction is this: The Tigers are better today than they were two days ago; and the Tigers are locked into a lengthy contract with a player who, although extremely healthy for the first part of his career, will undoubtedly age. And my guess is that his body will not age gracefully.</p>
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		<title>By: JB_Iowa</title>
		<link>http://knuckleballsblog.com/2012/01/25/gloom-despair-and-agony/#comment-11652</link>
		<dc:creator>JB_Iowa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jan 2012 22:59:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In the long run, I think that the Fielder contract is insane.

In the short run, I can&#039;t help but admire Mike Illitch&#039;s desire to see his team win a WS championship before he dies.

I&#039;d like to see Twins ownership replace their cash-register hearts with ones that have a little more desire to win it all in the post-season.

Surely there must be a reasonable compromise somewhere between the Illitch-type owners and the Pohlads.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the long run, I think that the Fielder contract is insane.</p>
<p>In the short run, I can&#8217;t help but admire Mike Illitch&#8217;s desire to see his team win a WS championship before he dies.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d like to see Twins ownership replace their cash-register hearts with ones that have a little more desire to win it all in the post-season.</p>
<p>Surely there must be a reasonable compromise somewhere between the Illitch-type owners and the Pohlads.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Crikket</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Crikket</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jan 2012 22:50:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yeah, I wouldn&#039;t suggest the Twins run up the white flag prematurely. It seems like only yesterday that everyone was talking about this unbeatable starting rotation that the White Sox had bought and that Adam Dunn was going to set HR records playing in the (prison) Cell. Shit happens and the same shit can happen in Detroit, especially if they don&#039;t do something about that defense.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, I wouldn&#8217;t suggest the Twins run up the white flag prematurely. It seems like only yesterday that everyone was talking about this unbeatable starting rotation that the White Sox had bought and that Adam Dunn was going to set HR records playing in the (prison) Cell. Shit happens and the same shit can happen in Detroit, especially if they don&#8217;t do something about that defense.</p>
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		<title>By: thrylos98</title>
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		<dc:creator>thrylos98</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jan 2012 22:41:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My feelings exactly.  Great news for the Twins long term
The Tigers now have 4 players (Fielder, Cabrera, Verlander, Martinez) accounting for $85 M a year total until 2014.  Also the 3-non pitchers are horrible defensively.  That&#039;s got to hurt.  The Twins are in good position to unload some players mid-season if the Tigers start fast, because they have several free agents (Pavano, Baker, Capps, Casilla, Doumit, Liriano ) and look into 2014 when they are in the hook only for Mauer and Span...  They could have done that this off-season but they did not want to go that way.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My feelings exactly.  Great news for the Twins long term<br />
The Tigers now have 4 players (Fielder, Cabrera, Verlander, Martinez) accounting for $85 M a year total until 2014.  Also the 3-non pitchers are horrible defensively.  That&#8217;s got to hurt.  The Twins are in good position to unload some players mid-season if the Tigers start fast, because they have several free agents (Pavano, Baker, Capps, Casilla, Doumit, Liriano ) and look into 2014 when they are in the hook only for Mauer and Span&#8230;  They could have done that this off-season but they did not want to go that way.</p>
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