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The Kevin Slowey Dilemma

May23rd
2011
Written by Jim Crikket

I don’t often listen in via the internet to Ron Gardenhire’s Sunday morning appearances on ESPN1500, but I did yesterday. If you’ve been reading or listening to any Twins-related news in the past 24 hours, you’re probably already aware of his comments with regard to Kevin Slowey. If not, let me give it to you in a nutshell:  Gardenhire and Slowey met together to discuss Kevin’s role with the Twins and there appears to be some agreement between them that Slowey has not worked out as a relief pitcher, so they need to get him innings in a starting role… somewhere.

Gardenhire mentioned possibly sending Slowey to Rochester to be used as a starting pitcher. Slowey hinted to reporters that perhaps the Twins are no longer a “fit” for him.

Assuming Gardy is not going to go “Ozzie Guillen” on us and implement a six-man rotation the way the BitchSox have, there really are only three options for dealing with Slowey at this point: Insert him in to the Twins rotation to replace one of the five arms already there, send him to Rochester, or trade him to another team.

Sounds simple, doesn’t it?

If the Twins would decide to simply move Slowey in to the rotation, say for example in place of Brian Duensing, and have Duensing take Slowey’s bullpen spot, then I suppose it is relatively simple. But the Twins don’t really need a long reliever in the bullpen and that’s pretty much what Duensing would be. They need an arm they can use in critical set up situations. Maybe Duensing could do that, but it’s hardly a sure-thing.  

This swap would also result in the Twins having just one left hander in the rotation and while it’s easy to pick on Duensing because he hasn’t had a lot of success in the past month or so, a glance at his stat line shows us that opponents have a .381 BABIP (batting average on balls in play), which is well above normal, indicating that he may be the victim of a little bit of bad luck. That particular stat, after all, was the one that fans of Francisco Liriano liked to trot out there every time a discussion about Frankie’s abilities took place over the off season (and his BABIP was only .335 last season).

So why not just send Slowey to Rochester and bring up someone else for the bullpen? Makes sense, I guess, but let’s be honest… the Twins haven’t exactly had a lot of good fortune with the bullpen arms they’ve brought up from Rochester already. Yes, Chuck James has performed well in Rochester’s pen and has arguably earned a promotion opportunity. But James is not currently on the Twins’ 40-man roster, so promoting him means someone currently on the roster has to be jettisoned. Would the world come to an end if the Twins lost Eric Hacker, Jim Hoey, or Scott Diamond? No. But I’m not sure the Twins are ready to give those guys up just to find out if James can pitch effectively at the Big League level.

That leaves us with some sort of trade scenario and the internet is abuzz today with “Twins will trade Slowey” stories. Heck, it may even happen before I can post this!

A lot of people thought the Twins should trade Slowey or one of their other starting pitchers before the season started. I disagreed, because it’s not at all unusual for a team to end up needing that sixth starting pitcher at some point during the first couple of months of the season. It turns out, the starting five stayed relatively healthy so the need to insert Slowey in to the rotation has not materialized. Certainly, none of the five guys in the rotation have been consistently effective, but despite the contention of his fans (and those fans who for one reason or another just dislike one of the current rotation members), there’s no solid evidence at all that Slowey would be an improvement over anyone currently with a starting rotation spot.

The assumption all along has been that the Twins would promote top pitching prospect Kyle Gibson from Rochester in June, once the risk of accelerating his eligibility for arbitration passes. Gibson hasn’t exactly set the International League ablaze this season, but he’s held hitters to somewhere around a .250 batting average and has a nice 41/8 strikeout-to-walk ratio, while striking out almost one hitter per inning. The point being, we’re almost at the point in the season where the Twins can afford to trade one of their six pitchers with credentials as a Big League pitcher.

I’m just not sure that should be Slowey.

If it is, so be it. It’s not like he’s demonstrated that he’s irreplaceable. But I’m just not sure that’s the direction I’d go if I were the General Manager.

Slowey is making just $2.7 million this season, so there’s bound to be a market for him. Maybe the Twins could even get a serviceable middle infielder in return. But they aren’t likely to get anyone significantly better than the mediocrity they’ve been sending out to man 2B and SS so far and adding a MLB infielder means they’re still left with the dilemma of how to fit James on to the 40-man roster so they can promote him. In any event, while I’m not ready to give up on the 2011 season yet, if I’m running the Twins, I’m not going to feel inclined to trade one of my cheaper starting pitching options.

For the same reason, you don’t trade Brian Duensing either. He’s still barely making above the MLB minimum salary.

Nick Blackburn and Scott Baker are both roughly in the $5-6 million per year range through 2012. The Twins won’t (and shouldn’t) trade Baker, but if you can get some decent prospects for Blackburn, I suppose you listen to offers. I just doubt that Blackburn’s performance has done much to create significant demand for his services, given his contractual agreement.

Does Francisco Liriano still have significant trade value? He’s making $4.3 million this year but he’s likely to get more expensive next year. Still, I suspect there are teams who would be very tempted to give up something of value for the chance to see if Liriano can grow in to a consistently dominant lefty. If so, I’d be very tempted to make him available because I just don’t see it as being likely to happen in Minnesota. Blame Liriano or blame the coaches/manager, but either way, I don’t see him ever being worth what the Twins would have to shell out to keep him beyond this season.

And then there’s ‘Stache. Carl Pavano is getting $8 million this season and is guaranteed $8.5 million in 2012. Has anyone who’s been watching the Twins seen anything in Pavano’s performance to make them feel like he’s worth that deal? He certainly has not been the “innings eater” he was last year, having averaged just about 6 innings per start. I don’t know what he’s worth on the market, but I would imagine someone would give up something for him, even if the Twins do have to eat a little of that contract.

Trading one of these guys for decent prospects would clear a roster spot for James  (or for Gibson or possibly RP prospect Carlos Gutierrez next month) without leaving the Twins significantly short-handed in the starting pitching department.  If I could get something of real value in prospects for either Pavano or Liriano, I’d make that move right now.

That said, it will probably be Kevin Slowey sent packing. If and when it happens, I suspect most of us will be underwhelmed with talent received in return.

- JC

Trade Talk, Twins baseball    Brian Duensing, Carl Pavano, Carlos Gutierrez, Chuck James, Francisco Liriano, Kevin Slowey, Kyle Gibson, Nick Blackburn, Scott Baker
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4 Comments

  1. twinsfanfromafar's Gravatar twinsfanfromafar
    May 23, 2011 at 1:38 pm | Permalink

    Good post, JC. I think if they just publicly announce, as they kind of have, that they are looking for suiters for Slowey, the return is not going to be good, considering he’s a decent starting pitcher, and several teams are in need of decent starting pitching. I think it becomes more interesting if, just for the sake of argument, you package in another player. I’m not totally ready to count the Twins as sellers yet, but if they do go that route, maybe we would get much more in return for a Slowey/D. Young, or Slowey/Cuddyer, or Slowey/Thome deal, or whatever combination might exist. Or maybe not.

  2. kirsten's Gravatar kirsten
    May 23, 2011 at 4:18 pm | Permalink

    This makes me unspeakably grouchy on so many levels.

  3. Jim Crikket's Gravatar Jim Crikket
    May 23, 2011 at 5:47 pm | Permalink

    First of all… the above two comments were, for reasons I’m totally befuddled by, held for moderation. Something must be wonky with our program, but I apologize. I hope that doesn’t continue to be an issue.

    I don’t think a willingness to trade Slowey or one of the other starting pitchers, with or without another piece, necessarily signals that the Twins are determined to be “sellers” already. Of course, that depends on who the additional “piece” is. If it’s Young or Kubel, for instance, that definitely signals a fire sale and I think it’s too early for that. Doing that would definitely have an immediate negative effect on fan interest.

    But making room on the roster for James and, eventually, Gibson and Gutierrez, while bringing in a couple of decent minor leaguers to a pretty shallow system, could conceivably mean improving THIS year’s team.

  4. kirsten's Gravatar kirsten
    May 23, 2011 at 6:13 pm | Permalink

    Oh I don’t care about people wanting to whine about in terms of being “buyers or sellers” I just want my Slowey jersey to get signed, Pavano to pitch better, and the Twins’ front office to stop appearing like all they do is just dink around. /rant

    Like you say, who they would package with him would send a fairly clear message what they are about. I know several teams are looking for pitching help, but if we hope to get multiple players in return, we should expect to deal multiple players. Trouble is, 2/3 of our players seem to be on the DL, which is bad for business.

    I don’t think Liriano will ever turn into the ace the Twins (fans) were hoping for because A. he hasn’t been the same since his surgery B. he doesn’t seem to give a shit C. It’s a crapshoot as to whether we’ll get good Liriano or brutal Liriano. (Same goes for Pavano) Maybe that’s just my feeling on the subject, but I haven’t really gotten a hard working vibe off of him.

    Seems to me we could sorely use some more decent prospects whoever we may trade…correct me if I’m wrong, but I get the impression the cupboard is a little bare at the moment.

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