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WWTD? (What Will Terry Do?)

Jun25th
2012
Written by Jim Crikket

Six weeks ago, I put up a post here arguing that it was much too soon to “pull the plug” on the Twins’ 2012 season. I argued that, despite an admittedly dismal start, the Twins were performing fairly well on most fronts, with the glaring exception of their starting pitching, and that they were just about to begin playing their own Division rivals on a regular basis. Feel free to go back and read the whole article, but here was my conclusion:

If the Twins only win 10 of their next 34 games, then I’m on board with everyone else… put up the Yard Sale sign and sell off any asset you can get a fair return for.

But the more I look at the schedule… and what other teams in the AL Central Division have done… the less I feel like there’s any real rush to make drastic and irreversible decisions. The starting pitching needs to be better than it has been… pure and simple. But if that can be accomplished, I see no reason this Twins team shouldn’t still be able to live up to our limited expectations of them before the season started.

We could still have a little fun this summer.

Terry Ryan

A few days ago, in the comment section of one of our GameChat posts, regular reader/commenter “frightwig” pointed out that, since I authored that post, the Twins had gone 17-17 and had not cut down the number of games they trailed the Division leaders. (Following the series win over the Reds, that record is now 19-18 since May 14.) He asked if my opinion of the Twins’ outlook and what General Manager Terry Ryan should do had changed at this point.

That’s a fair question. The answer is, “no, not really,” and the reason is that the situation really hasn’t changed all that much. In fact, just as was the case on May 14, the Twins are once again about to embark on several intra-divisional series that could be fun to watch and very few games against contenders in other divisions. Between now and the July 31 non-waiver trade deadline, the Twins have 8 games with the White Sox, 7 with the Royals, 4 with the Tigers, 4 with the Orioles, 3 with the Indians, 3 with the Rangers and 3 with the A’s.

On top of that, the Division-leading White Sox have started their annual “trade for big name washed up former All-Stars” exercise, so you know that’s a sign they’re about to tank.

Bear in mind, even six weeks ago, I never argued that Terry Ryan should sit on his hands all year and make no moves, nor did I suggest the Twins were likely to become “good” any time soon. I merely pointed out that the Twins had some things going for them that could make them entertaining to watch and potentially even more than just entertaining if they could do something about the starting rotation. I don’t think that’s changed.

Nor do I think things have changed much since I posted my most recent argument against having a full-out fire sale.

Still, I’ve written a lot about what I DON’T think Terry Ryan should be doing as we enter the “trading season,” but what do I think Ryan SHOULD do?

  1. As I wrote on May 14, Ryan should be listening to any offer. Nobody on this roster is untouchable, though one or two players are likely untradeable.
  2. Any player that does not figure in the team’s plans for 2013 should be traded as soon as decent value of any kind is offered. This would include Francisco Liriano and Carl Pavano, certainly, as well as Alexi Casilla and Ryan Doumit (unless the rumored extension talks prove fruitful).
  3. Ryan should not be in a hurry to trade any productive player that is under contract for 2013 and beyond. Players like Denard Span, Justin Morneau, Josh Willingham (particularly Willingham) and even Jamie Carroll should only be traded this summer for solid starting pitching that are good bets to be no worse than #3 starters as soon as next season. (Of course, in this rotation, it doesn’t take a lot to be considered a #3 starter.)

I still question whether the Twins will find anyone willing to part with a potential top-of-the-rotation pitcher in July, but I could be wrong. For example, with the Twins playing a series against the Pirates last week, I couldn’t help but notice that, for a team sitting at or near the top of their Division as June comes to a close, their offense really isn’t very good after you get past CF Andrew McCutchen. They are where they’re at because of their pitching.

Of course, they aren’t likely to give up anyone in the top half of their rotation at this point and any Twins fans who think they’d consider trading uber-prospect Gerrit Cole are kidding themselves. But guess what… their AAA affiliate, Indianapolis, is also leading THEIR division and they’re likewise doing so because of strong starting pitching. The Pirates appear to have some remarkable depth in the starting pitching department. I’m certainly no expert on the Pirates’ minor league system, but I can’t help but think either Rudy Owens or Jeff Locke, both lefties, would make the Twins’ rotation better as soon as next year and for several years to come (heck, probably THIS year, for that matter).

But why would they trade any of their young pitching now? Do you have any idea how long it has been since the Pirates sniffed the playoffs? No? Me either, but I think it was when Barry Bonds was skinny.

With Cole rising fast up through their organization, there’s going to be a logjam in Pittsburgh’s rotation before long. That’s why they may be more likely to give up some of that pitching for offensive help from one of the few teams without realistic playoff hopes in the coming weeks, rather than wait until the offseason when there will be more potential trade partners and they arguably could get a better return. In other words, they have the potential to be a little stupid with their trades over the next few weeks.

The question is whether the Twins would match up well with the Pirates in a trade discussion. With McCutchen in CF, their need for Denard Span might not be as great as a team that has a need at that position, but Span could certainly play one of the corner OF spots and he would certainly improve their lineup. Then again, just about any position player on the Twins roster, down to and including Drew Butera, could improve the Pirates lineup at this point.

I still don’t think trading players like Willingham or Morneau would be smart, because you’re going to need to replace them in a few months if you let them go. But there’s a case to be made that replacing them would be easier than acquiring starting pitching this winter. I’m not sure I’m convinced, but I’m willing to consider the possibility.

I’m sure the Pirates aren’t the only potential trade partner, but I mention them only by way of acknowledging there may be a stronger market out there than I think there is. The extra Wild Card spots this season and the relative balance of competitiveness in both leagues has the potential to mean a lot more buyers in July and fewer sellers. In any industry, that means a “sellers market,” and if the Twins can capitalize on that market to improve their team as soon as 2013, they’d be foolish not to do so.

Just don’t come at me with salary dump trades for any wannabe prospects. There’s no financial reason for the Twins to pull that kind of crap on their fans when they’re continuing to look at just below 3 million in attendance this season.

- JC

Trade Talk, Twins baseball    Alexi Casilla, Andrew McCutchen, Carl Pavano, Denard Span, Francisco Liriano, Jamie Carroll, Jeff Locke, Josh Willingham, Justin Morneau, Rudy Owens, Ryan Doumit, Terry Ryan
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3 Comments

  1. frightwig's Gravatar frightwig
    June 25, 2012 at 10:24 pm | Permalink

    Yeah, I think the offense has showed that it can be productive enough to support hopes for a contender in 2013, as long as Terry Ryan effectively restocks the pitching rotation in the meantime. But if I could find anyone willing to take Morneau, even if the deal were just a salary dump, I would probably do it.

    Since that hot spell in the latter half of May, Morneau has hit just .211/.277/.303 in June; he’s been pretty good on the road this season (which could be a selling point), but lousy at home; and he almost literally cannot hit lefthanded pitching lately (.088/.125/.191 this year). Right now, I don’t feel like he’s really an essential part of a contending team next year, or that he’d be all that difficult to replace. It seems like the Morneau we used to know is mostly gone, now.

    Anyway, let’s hope Liriano keeps pitching well enough to fetch a nice return in trade next month, and that Ryan can buy or trade for at least two good starting pitchers next winter.

    Here’s the list of potential free agent SP’s (asterisk indicates a club option on current contract). See anybody you like?

    Scott Baker *
    Joe Blanton
    Matt Cain
    Fausto Carmona *
    Kevin Correia
    Jorge De La Rosa *
    R.A. Dickey *
    Scott Feldman *
    Gavin Floyd *
    Zack Greinke
    Jeremy Guthrie
    Cole Hamels
    Dan Haren *
    Tim Hudson *
    Colby Lewis
    Francisco Liriano
    Kyle Lohse
    Derek Lowe
    Shaun Marcum
    Daisuke Matsuzaka
    Brandon McCarthy
    Brett Myers *
    Carl Pavano
    Jake Peavy *
    Anibal Sanchez
    Jonathan Sanchez
    Ervin Santana *
    Joe Saunders
    James Shields *
    Jake Westbrook *
    Randy Wolf *
    Carlos Zambrano *

  2. Jim Crikket's Gravatar Jim Crikket
    June 25, 2012 at 10:59 pm | Permalink

    If the Twins had a legit 1B coming up that Morneau was blocking, I might agree with you. But he’s made a lot of progress over last year and I’d rather see if he gets even better next year. Frankly, he’ll be more valuable in a trade scenario NEXT summer, if you want to trade him, because he won’t have as much money owed to him by then.

    I haven’t followed everyone on that list of potential free agents, but if those options are mostly picked up, the list gets a lot shorter. There should be one or two there that the Twins will be able to afford, I would think.

  3. frightwig's Gravatar frightwig
    June 26, 2012 at 4:15 am | Permalink

    Note that Morneau, for all the progress he’s made, is still worth replacement-level WAR to this point on the season. And Parmelee was killing it at AAA. I feel like Parmelee could actually be an upgrade, and probably wouldn’t be worth less than Morneau. Meanwhile, it would be nice to have salary relief before shopping for pitching, too. Who knows, maybe dumping Morneau’ contract means the club could buy a high-end pitcher like Greinke this winter.

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